[ic] Frustrated with IC 4.8

Mon Sep 17 17:07:24 2001

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Their is a "Tip Jar" that has been setup by Redhat for Interchange. Maybe 
more people should be made aware of it and then we could all donate what we 
feel would be appropriate. I would be willing to pay a small amount per 
month ($2.00) for access to the list, I think the archive should be left 
open to everyone though.

J. Frank Cortes

At 9/17/2001 02:16 PM, you wrote:

>On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 mheins@redhat.com wrote:
>[snip]
>
> >
> > If everyone who was on the mail list was spending money with Red Hat, using
> > our support services, instead of downloading the program for free
> > and then using the mail list, we would, I guarantee, devote more resources
> > to improving the program. We don't expect that, of course, but the fact
> > remains that There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.
> >
> > The only way we will get more resources is for people to spend money
> > with us. There are some ways to do this. You can purchase the E-commerce
> > suite and get a year's worth of support with people to answer your
> > questions as they come up. Or, you can retain us for a few hours of
> > technical support so we can answer your questions and provide guidance.
> >
> > The predecessor to Interchange, Minivend, was largely supported by
> > the clients who engaged me to do work for them based on Minivend.
> > Most of them have never inhabited the mail list, so you wouldn't
> > know them. But they had as much, no more, to do with the longevity
> > of Interchange than anyone. If I hadn't been able to eat, then
> > I would have done something else.
> >
> > It can come in the form of small self-contained contributions
> > to the documentation or utilities -- the work of various people on
> > payment systems is an example. Or it can come in the form of
> > money. All help.
> >
>
>Dear Mike and all other contributing IC developers,
>
>as someone who discovered in a long process of questioning myself, that
>the only way, I could help, would be with money, I like to add something
>with regards to monetary donations.
>
>There might be enough people among us, who really have no current need
>to develop a site for themselves or are not that experienced to do such
>work for others, but who know enough about the history of Interchange
>and understand, that, may be in the future, they might use IC as paying
>customer of Red Hat, but currently don't and can't. Nevertheless those
>among us still follow up on IC and read regularly this list and save
>the "goodies" for future use.
>
>I often felt that the technical help given on this (as well as other
>technical support mailing lists of OSS applications) is the most valuable
>thing given away for free, aside from the open source code  itself.
>
>Therefore I really think, that this list should get a "price",
>which reflects the support IC users should give to say thanks for a free
>software package and to affirm, that we are willing to acknowledge the
>volunteer service on this list by the ones, who are IC knowledgable.
>
>I made once a general suggestion like that on a familiar and often used
>forum of the Open/Free Source community in this regard and got (at least
>to me) a devastating answer. Noone wanted to consider this option of
>supporting an OSS project. I wondered why the response was so negative.
>But, that shouldn't deter me from trying it here again.
>
>I know that asking for some registration fees for this mailing lists
>might only make a relative small amount of money compared to hiring you
>folks for a project or buying the commercial package. But on the other
>hand there might just be enough "very small" businesses or "poor
>individuals", who would be willing to pay a registration fee to this list,
>to make a small difference.
>
>I propose a monthly registration fee to this mailing list to collect
>money for development and documentation support. I like to know, who would
>support this idea and what you consider a price, which would reflect the
>value of help you are getting here.
>
>Birgitt Funk
>
> > Mike
> >
>
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>interchange-users mailing list
>interchange-users@interchange.redhat.com
>http://interchange.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/interchange-users

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Their is a &quot;Tip Jar&quot; that has been setup by Redhat
for Interchange. Maybe more people should be made aware of it and then we
could all donate what we feel would be appropriate. I would be willing to
pay a small amount per month ($2.00) for access to the list, I think the
archive should be left open to everyone though. 
J. Frank Cortes 
At 9/17/2001 02:16 PM, you wrote: 
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>On Mon, 17 Sep 2001
mheins@redhat.com wrote: 
[snip] 
&gt; 
&gt; If everyone who was on the mail list was spending money with Red
Hat, using 
&gt; our support services, instead of downloading the program for
free 
&gt; and then using the mail list, we would, I guarantee, devote more
resources 
&gt; to improving the program. We don't expect that, of course, but the
fact 
&gt; remains that There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. 
&gt; 
&gt; The only way we will get more resources is for people to spend
money 
&gt; with us. There are some ways to do this. You can purchase the
E-commerce 
&gt; suite and get a year's worth of support with people to answer
your 
&gt; questions as they come up. Or, you can retain us for a few hours
of 
&gt; technical support so we can answer your questions and provide
guidance. 
&gt; 
&gt; The predecessor to Interchange, Minivend, was largely supported
by 
&gt; the clients who engaged me to do work for them based on
Minivend. 
&gt; Most of them have never inhabited the mail list, so you
wouldn't 
&gt; know them. But they had as much, no more, to do with the
longevity 
&gt; of Interchange than anyone. If I hadn't been able to eat, then 
&gt; I would have done something else. 
&gt; 
&gt; It can come in the form of small self-contained contributions 
&gt; to the documentation or utilities -- the work of various people
on 
&gt; payment systems is an example. Or it can come in the form of 
&gt; money. All help. 
&gt; 
Dear Mike and all other contributing IC developers, 
as someone who discovered in a long process of questioning myself, that
 
the only way, I could help, would be with money, I like to add
something 
with regards to monetary donations. 
There might be enough people among us, who really have no current
need 
to develop a site for themselves or are not that experienced to do
such 
work for others, but who know enough about the history of
Interchange 
and understand, that, may be in the future, they might use IC as
paying 
customer of Red Hat, but currently don't and can't. Nevertheless
those 
among us still follow up on IC and read regularly this list and 
save 
the &quot;goodies&quot; for future use. 
I often felt that the technical help given on this (as well as 
other 
technical support mailing lists of OSS applications) is the most
valuable 
thing given away for free, aside from the open source code&nbsp; itself.
 
Therefore I really think, that this list should get a
&quot;price&quot;, 
which reflects the support IC users should give to say thanks for a
free 
software package and to affirm, that we are willing to acknowledge
the 
volunteer service on this list by the ones, who are IC
knowledgable. 
I made once a general suggestion like that on a familiar and often
used 
forum of the Open/Free Source community in this regard and got (at
least 
to me) a devastating answer. Noone wanted to consider this option 
of 
supporting an OSS project. I wondered why the response was so
negative. 
But, that shouldn't deter me from trying it here again. 
I know that asking for some registration fees for this mailing 
lists 
might only make a relative small amount of money compared to hiring
you 
folks for a project or buying the commercial package. But on the
other 
hand there might just be enough &quot;very small&quot; businesses or
&quot;poor 
individuals&quot;, who would be willing to pay a registration fee to this
list, 
to make a small difference. 
I propose a monthly registration fee to this mailing list to 
collect 
money for development and documentation support. I like to know, who
would 
support this idea and what you consider a price, which would reflect
the 
value of help you are getting here. 
Birgitt Funk 
&gt; Mike 
&gt; 
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