William O. Yates hackware at tru2life.net
Sun Apr 2 17:33:38 EDT 2006

Paul Jordan wrote ..
> interchange-users-bounces at icdevgroup.org wrote:
> > Davor Ocelic wrote ..
> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 04:26:09 +0100
> >> Kevin Walsh <kevin at cursor.biz> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> "William O. Yates" <hackware at tru2life.net> wrote:
> >>>> on the point of posting to docs, how to you expect any help with
> >>>> docs,
> >> if you keep things
> >>>> all locked up...?   do you expect us to only use the
> >>>> interchage-users list...? 
> >>>> 
> >>> I think the docs list is about to be opened up.  It's original use
> >>> was not for docs discussions, but for docs-specific CVS commit
> >>> notices. It's only recently that a few discussion threads have
> >>> popped up in there. 
> >>> 
> >>> Perhaps we could start a new (public) "interchange-docs" mail list
> >>> for documentation discussion and submissions, and keep the current
> >>> "docs" list for CVS commit notices only (no posting, and the
> >>> "Reply-To" header set to direct followups to interchange-docs).
> >>> 
> >>> The interchange-users list will suffice as a public docs discussion
> >>> area in the mean time.
> >> 
> >> Since I am the only one doing commits, I don't think separation to
> >> two lists is justified. Especially since there isn't many
> >> subscribers either. _______________________________________________
> > 
> > 
> > perhaps you are not the only one wanting to do something about docs...
> > hmmm...?
> > since you don't want anybody to touch the docs mail list...
> > what is wrong with other to be involved...?
> > can only you touch anything to do with docs...?
> > i seem to even remember you saying that input would be a good thing...
> > why you making it so hard...?
> > hackware...
> I could be wrong, but I think he was saying that just *opening up* the
> interchange-docs list will suffice, instead of opening an entirely new
> list.
> I have been on this list for 5 years or so, and I have seen some rants
> on
> the docs from time to time. Now we have someone actually taking time and
> trying something out. Mike, Kevin and Racke are smart people, I am sure
> they
> are not unwitting to any moves anyone makes, including Davor, so it is
> not
> like, even if Davor was to make a bad decision, that it would ruin
> Interchange.
> I am sure there are backups or originals, and there is also Kevin's rtfm
> site for docs. I know the new docs on devgroup's site seem like a downgrade
> now, but we have to give it time. I am sure in the end the Dev Group viewed
> Davor's end intentions as a benefit to everyone, so let's give it some
> time.
> I know Yates has done some very mature documentation work for very large
> organizations, so he is probably gritting his teeth at the pace and current
> condition of the docs. However, please have some understanding and patience.
> Up until 6 months or so ago, there used to be a google search for the
> mailist and docs, which I though worked awesome, especially because the
> preview and keyword highlight. I currently use the Google Toolbar for
> searching the mailist and the *old* docs.
> I think having a list to post examples for others would be good. I think
> there is a lot of talent out there that doesn't know enough to participate
> in a professional open source construct, but has slick code. I had written
> a
> couple tutorials and posted to the list things that subsequently got put
> into the distro, but when I posted them originally, I felt bad that I was
> clogging peoples inboxes and they'd have to stumble upon them in the docs.
> I
> would like a list that I wouldn't think twice about sending some small
> slick
> code to, to I suppose Davor? Then he would format it and submit it to an
> appropriate example portion of the docs? Is that how the list would be
> used?
> I think that would be great.
>  Paul Jordan
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i don't have the time, or i guess the patience, to wait for docs...

so i will no longer bother...

i am starting my own branch, both code and docs, based on kevin's doc site,

and icdevgroup...

perhaps, when it's no longer a fight, i can supply some input...


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