Re: [mv] RE: your email

[MiniVend <jfoster@augustmail.com>]

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Christopher Thompson wrote:

> ******    message to minivend-users from "Christopher Thompson" <ct@arborinternet.com>     ******
>
> As a guy who started and failed on a previous Minivend documentation
> effort, I thought I'd throw in my two cents:
>
> - I think Minivend documentation is good. I find answers as quickly in the
> Minivend docs as in other docs. Plus this mail list is very helpful.
>
> - Minivend is easy to use. It is a development system, not an application
> (like say Softcart). It has the same learning curve as other development
> systems. Installation is very easy thanks to Mike's ever improving install
> script.
> --------------------------------------------------------------

The above is possibly the best explanation of exactly what MiniVend is, that I have ever seen! It
should be the VERY FIRST paragraph of the MV docs. I would have had a completely different view of
what is going on if I had read that before trying to figure out MV. I too am NOT a programmer, and
with no prior training it has been a long, tedious,  experience--as I would have expected if I had
known what I had to learn.
Thanks for making this comment, maybe it will help lower the frustration levels of some newbies.

>
> - I seriously doubt consultants will lose any work if the documentation
> improved. I have no clients who have any interest in learning any
> development system. They just want a website that does what they need for
> their business.
>
> - I use Minivend because I type "./install" and within about an hour I
> have the template for fully featured e-commerce website running and ready
> to customize. And, I can then use either Mike's rascally Minivend tags or
> Perl, depending on the complexity of the task.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-minivend-users@minivend.com
> > [mailto:owner-minivend-users@minivend.com]On Behalf Of Craig Oettle
> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 7:27 AM
> > To: minivend-users@minivend.com
> > Subject: Re: [mv] RE: your email
> >
> >
> > ******    message to minivend-users from Craig Oettle
> > <craig_oettle@ecsinconline.com>     ******
> >
> > Birgitt Funk wrote:
> > >
> > > ******    message to minivend-users from "Birgitt Funk"
> > <birgitt@my-deja.com>     ******
> > >
> > > I am having a terrible connection. This is in
> > > response to Lin's and Ryan's and other's posts.
> > >
> > > MH had provided us space with the option to work on a
> > documentation. The people who wanted to participate realized
> > probably very quickly how tough that kind of work is. You might
> > agree with me that quite obviously we didn't do the job.
> > >
> > > If you want to complain about the documentation of not being
> > perfect and if you belong to either of the three groups,
> > >
> > > Group 1: You simply can't document MiniVend,  even if you
> > wanted to, because you don't have enough knowledge and stamina.
> > >
> > > Group 2: You can document MiniVend, but you know
> > > how much it takes to do it and it is just too much to do for
> > free and at the side.
> > >
> > > Group 3: You can document MiniVend, but you make
> > > a living being a MV or e-commerce consultant and don't want
> > your hard earned expertise give away for free. You actually
> > don't want more freely   available documentation.
> > >
> > > again, if you belong to one of those groups, then I think one
> > should not complain at all.
> > >
> > > If point 2 and 3 applies to yourself, so would it apply to MH
> > himself, so why expect something from him you yourself wouldn't
> > want to give or can not give.
> > >
> > > If point 1 applies to you, then you need to stop complaining,
> > because you haven't realized how much it takes to be someone in
> > group 2 or 3.
> > >
> > > MV seems to remain a one-man development for most part, I
> > assume. To me it was quite amazing that MH actually made the
> > tough decision to risk  money and invest in a professionally
> > made documentation, as he has announced on the list.
> > >
> > > I think we have nothing to complain about at all but be
> > grateful that MH has apparently the thick skin and stamina to
> > stay through all of it.
> > >
> > > We need just give something back if we can. It may be tough
> > to give something back for the ones who have no money and no
> > knowledge to handle MV on their own for their projects.
> > Nevertheless one can give back.
> > >
> > > May be you can buy the documentation when it is out, may you
> > we can support in opening an account on minivend.com. May be
> > you can donate examples, may be you can donate code, may be you
> > can donate time to the list as so many of you do so generously.
> > Do something. Anything
> > > which somehow supports the project.
> > >
> > > Birgitt Funk
> > >
> >
> >
> > I belong to group one and couldn't agree more.  I've had an interesting
> > time just setting up a site based on the simple demo but have a learned
> > a great deal.  Much of what I've learned has nothing to do specifically
> > with Minivend.  I look forward to the day when I may belong to group
> > two.  Thanks Mike for a great program and learning experience.
> >
> > --
> > Craig Oettle
> >
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