Re: [mv] mv_range_lock doesn't work in MV4!

[Hans-Joachim Leidinger <jojo@buchonline.net>]

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Birgitt Funk schrieb:
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Hi Birgitt,

> just wanted to let you know that your struggle and survival training
> is watched with compassion from someone who has an idea how it feels...
> was a little calf at one point in time and feel like an old dumb ox now...

I will not get any compassion! :-)) 
If i've time, i'm able to learn perl on the normal way. But without any
time, i've to learn perl during my dinner.
 
> But now, AFAIK, you can work fulltime with your project and MV etc.
> (meaning time and money is there to support your activities), what

I can't understand this sentence. What do you mean with this? Time and
money for me to support my activities? How much? $-))

> is your strategy to teach the cow how to moooh and produce some milk ?

Hmmm...very difficult! For a cow? Hmmm...eat more grass and play classic
music (Mozart?)! ;-) 
Well duh! First of all, i'm an old windows user and i is very difficult
to get any informations about this and that in UNIX, Perl and whatsoever
ASAP. I know, i can use "man man", but i get a lot of pages without any
structure, index, etc. and with one eye at my clock (the time is running
out) and another eye at the man page or book, it is a difficult to get
an usefull informations.
It is difficult to tell you about the best way for minivend. But i miss
the basic anywhere in the document or FAQ, how to do, if you have any
trouble. There are a lot of way, how can someone check anything what is
going wrong? For example:

- If any is going wrong, look into your error.log first!
- I miss an output of "make test", what perl modules is missing or
usefull? (without libwww, [set mv_no_session_id]1[/set] doesn't work)
- Some part of the minivend documentation isn't readable for a non
english speaking people. Some part of english document is very
difficult. 2 or more examples of any MV tags would improve the document
very well.
- .....Oooopps! I know, there are a lot of way, but it is late and i
can't write all my knowledge at this moment.


> How much time and which books to you use to teach yourself programming
> in Perl and system administration in the UNIX environment ?

I need more time to read the book (I've the camel book, the cookbook for
perl and hmmm...perl for advanced user) and to understand perl and UNIX.
But i think, this is not the big problem. The big problem is the
minivend document and the document has to less examples. If is use the
minivend tags as a special HTML tags, this make make live easy and this
was my first step with minivend.


> The question is also more general, my observation is that students
> with a structured learning experience in programming in the UNIX
> environment  make that jump from being a newbie html/webdesigner
> to being a programmer/webmaster/sysadm much, much faster and easier than
> completely selftaught people outside the sysadm/ISP/programmer
> industry. Once in a while those outsiders run into MV and are getting
> hooked to train themselves to do the jump.

This students has _one_ important experience. They know _how_ to get the
usefull informations via "man", "perldoc", "perlfunc", "grep" and
whatsoever ASAP.

 
> What would make this training for these outsiders more efficient in your
> opinion ?

Hmmm...this questions is difficult to answer, because M.H. has warn all
the readers about the complex stuff of minivend and good experience in
perl is required. But i believe, it will make the training very easier,
if there are a list of hints/suggestions, how to help yourself, if
something is going wrong. I believe, it make easier, if the search
engine of the minivend mailarchiv has more features (the same like
advanced search page of dejanews).

Hmmm...i believe, if there is any recipient for any suggestions to
improve the minivend document, FAQ, install instructions and so on, this
will animate more people to write usefull informations.

Regards,

	Joachim

BTW: _I_ help any people, because without any helps from this list, i'm
not able to solve any trouble or problem with minivend. I think, this is
the price and all people, who need any helps from this list _has_ to
_pay_ this price.


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