Re: [mv] mv_range_lock doesn't work in MV4!

[jojo@buchonline.net]

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On 30 Mar, Birgitt Funk wrote:
[DEL]
>> I will not get any compassion! :-)) 
> 
> Yes, you do. (sigh - look up the dictionary and the meaning of
> compassionate - I can't write German here...8-))

I canīt try out to understand you right and sure. I ask my teacher!

 
[snip]
> Joachim, don't worry. I wanted to demonstrate something and I think I did.
> 
> The question is, if MiniVend is an application which still can be learned
> by users like Joachim and how. This is a rhetorical question, as I know
> how to go over such task and what it means when you are outside of the
> insider's club of professionals.

Another hints how to use unknown MV tags ASAP. Make an extra simple
page (for example mvtestpage.html) and use the unknown MV tags there
and _not_ inside any other big page with a lot of MV tags and donīt use
the unknown MV tags inside a lot of other MV tags at the first time.

 
> The question I want the list to think about, is if there are ways to make
> the learning process easier for people like Joachim (and me and other 
> naive cows and oxes) or not and if there is any desire to do so. Just out
> of compassion so to speak 8-). ?

Hmmm...is the last sentence a special english phrase with a special
meaning? Like "Redewendung" in german? I think, using english ASAYC
(ASAYC = as simple as you can ;-) ) make something easier for non
english speaking people.


>> > How much time and which books to you use to teach yourself programming
>> > in Perl and system administration in the UNIX environment ?
>> 
>> I need more time to read the book (I've the camel book, the cookbook for
>> perl and hmmm...perl for advanced user) and to understand perl and UNIX.
>> But i think, this is not the big problem. The big problem is the
>> minivend document and the document has to less examples. If is use the
>> minivend tags as a special HTML tags, this make make live easy and this
>> was my first step with minivend.
> 
> Do you read the O'Reilly's English Perl books or the German ones ?

I use the O'Reilly's german "Perl Cookbook", german "Learning Perl, 2nd
Edition" and "Advanced Perl Programming" and not the English ones! My
stomage isnīt stronge enough to fight with perl _and_ english. But
iīve read a O'Reilly's english book about mailinglist server and i was
very suprised about the fine english (easy) written text.


>> > The question is also more general, my observation is that students
>> > with a structured learning experience in programming in the UNIX
>> > environment  make that jump from being a newbie html/webdesigner
>> > to being a programmer/webmaster/sysadm much, much faster and easier than
>> > completely selftaught people outside the sysadm/ISP/programmer
>> > industry. Once in a while those outsiders run into MV and are getting
>> > hooked to train themselves to do the jump.
>> 
>> This students has _one_ important experience. They know _how_ to get the
>> usefull informations via "man", "perldoc", "perlfunc", "grep" and
>> whatsoever ASAP.
>> 
> 
> But that's something you can easily learn at home too. Well, in Germany
> you would pay too much for online reading, so you need to print out all
> the online docs. Which is better anyhow.

If you are working for a company and you have a wife and a child, you
will not get enough time at home usually. If my child is sleeping in
here bed and my wife is making here favorite leisure-time activities,
iīve time to learn more. But it is usually late or very late and the
capability of my mental input is going down.
Regarding the questions about the right method of reading, i believe a
paper version of the minivend document is fine, but without no
structure or index, you less too much times to find an usefull
informations. The best way for me is, get an online documentation
offline (all in one file) and use the find feature of your browser (for
example ALT+F/ALT+G with NS in UNIX and CTRL+F or G in WIN).


[snip]
> You are very brave and courageous, actually. That's why you get the
> compassion, many people help you on the list and you are helping
> others. I like it a lot. And your comments especially, including
> this one. Thanks.

Thanks for the compliment.

Regards,

	Joachim

Regards,

	Joachim

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