Re: [mv] Re: AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Ryan Hertz <rhertz@gyb.baits.com>]

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At 12:17 AM 5/11/00 , you wrote:
>****** message to minivend-users from Ben-Nes Michael ****** There is one 
>very important thing that will boost Minivend and its an html page 
>contains example codes that peoples submitted.
>Many people can benefit from browsing the codes and learn from it.

I think that this mailing list and/or archives serves that purpose very well.


>Some one need to add it to the minivend web site.
>
>Mike Heins wrote:
>>******    message to minivend-users from Mike Heins 
>><mikeh@minivend.com>     ******
>>
>> > > To me, a persons success (or frusturation) with minivend depends 
>> LARGELY on
>> > > their ability to extend it with Perl.
>> >
>> > Maybe thats the essence of this discussion. Someone who is not used to
>> > Perl will get frustrated except he wants to learn MV inside (which you
>> > described as the the minivend learning curve).
>>
>>Minivend has a steep and definite learning curve, no doubt. I am hoping
>>as more and more people move to MV 4 this will decrease, but so be it. I
>>have done the best I could so far.
>>
>>To be sure, you can program your own cart in PHP, Tcl, or whatever you
>>wish.  And it can do many of the things that Minivend does, perhaps better
>>and faster.  I know quite a few people have seriously tried Minivend and
>>left it for greener pastures. More than one have come back to it after
>>a while.
>>
>>I do submit, though, that the main value of Minivend is in covering the
>>border conditions. It has been in use for 4+ years, has taken millions
>>of orders, and we have learned one or two things about shopping carts
>>in the process. (The we is all of you and me; I learned much of what I
>>have put into MV from the hard experience of the user base.)
>>
>>It is easy to write a shopping cart that works for one user on one
>>browser.  It is not quite so easy to write one that works well for most
>>users and browsers.
>>
>>There was a recent InfoWorld article docuemnting the troubles that await
>>the shopping cart writer:
>>
>> 
>><http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/fixup.pl?story=/articles/ic/xml/00/03/07 
>>/000307icfail.xml&dctag=icommerce>http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/fixup.p 
>>l?story=/articles/ic/xml/00/03/07/000307icfail.xml&dctag=icommerce
>>
>>I submit that designing a shop around a well-tested ecommerce solution, be
>>it MV or another, makes stories like that less likely.
>>
>>The biggest conundrum I face is making things simple....and powerful
>>at the same time. Sometimes those are at odds. I have talked to many
>>people that have used commercial shopping carts that are purportedly
>>easy to use, and the reports I get are that they work fine as long as
>>your problem fits in their problem space. Once you go outside of that
>>space and want more, it becomes much harder to use them.
>>
>>Though I originally intended the demo to be just that, a demo, designed
>>to illustrate MV's features, it has become more than that. There has
>>been some standardization of fields and processes for transactions
>>on checkout. The next big challenge for MV, which is being met,
>>will be to make a store-oriented rather than a development-oriented
>>admin interface. By this time next year, I expect to see a world-class
>>store-oriented admin interface on top of Minivend. And a much better
>>documentation set.
>>
>>Any further contributions on this topic that are pointed at comparing
>>Minivend and PHP or other technologies are welcome. Criticism of Minivend
>>is always welcome -- facts and examples are especially appreciated. 8-)


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