[ic] [ic][OT] unwanted mailinglist subscriptions

[Marty]

On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 18:11, Jim Balcom wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Jon Jensen wrote:
> 
> JJ>>No drugs at all actually. I just think it's a ridiculous thought that Red
> JJ>>Hat would sell the interchange-users list. They've invested so much money
> JJ>>in Interchange development and marketing, host the website, demo, mailing
> JJ>>list, etc., yet there's always much unwarranted suspicion about Red Hat
> JJ>>and little visible gratitude on this list.
> 
> Yes, I agree with you that they invested a lot.
> But, they unceremoniously dumped it and cut it loose to flounder and go its
> own way without any explanation to 'us'.
> 
What do you mean by "unceremoniously"?  Can you give us an example of
what Red hat should have done, that makes business sense?  Can you
explain why "cutting it loose" would cause interchange to flouder?  Why
does Red Hat or any of the interchange developers owe "us" or anyone an
explanation of their decisions?  Last time I checked, they were all
doing great things and giving away most of their effort for free.  Last
time I checked it was the generosity -- balanced with making a living --
of Red Hat and the developers that allows all of us to use this
product.  

> If your wife suddenly says "I don't want to live with you anymore. Go find
> another home." How much gratitude would you show?
> 
You consider your relationship with Red Hat to be similar to marriage? 
Can you elaborate on why you consider yourself "married" to Red Hat?  If
indeed you consider yourself married to Red Hat or Interchange, can you
please explain what *you* have brought to the relationship?  We all use
software written by Mike Heins and the Developers daily. We all know
what they bring to the table in this relationship. I think it would be
good to compare all the positive things you have contributed to this
project along side the menial contributions of the Developers and Red
hat. 

In your analogy above, Red Hat is our wife. I do not recall Red Hat
making any of us move (find another home) to another program.  I do not
recall Red Hat forcing anyone out of their current platform.  


> Red Hat has been full of dirty tricks in my book going back as far as 1996
> (I think it was. I would have to dig into my old checkbooks.)
> 
Why don't you give us the name of the person who is forcing you to use
Red Hat products, then we can all avoid him like the plague. 

> Red Hat clearly has a Microsoft mindset and is trying to be their main
> competitor. While this has not been evident by simply watching Interchange,
> it is obvious when you look at the overall Red Hat image that they are
> projecting.
> 
> 
This is enlightening.  What sort of positive influence are you trying to
make for Interchange with this statement?  Help us all out, How are you
trying to improve the product, support or development of Interchange
with this statement?  Or is this just another *rant* that has no
redeemable value at all for anyone on this list.  

"Great minds discuss ideas. Mediocre minds discuss events.  Small minds
discuss people".

Marty