Re: [mv] IF tag: [if session login] doesn't work?

[David Gindelberger <davidgindelberger@yahoo.com>]

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I humbly beg forgiveness from the gods of Minivend
:-). You are absolutely right Mike, we should all be
part of the solution NOT the problem!  I realize you
gave me a fishing rod and pointed me at the river, I'm
sorry if I slapped you in the face with the fish I
caught. My bad. If I can be of help in any way, please
ask.

Dave

--- Mike Heins <mikeh@minivend.com> wrote:
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> <mikeh@minivend.com>     ******
> 
> Quoting David Gindelberger
> (davidgindelberger@yahoo.com):
> > 
> > Perhaps I read it wrong but this is the line I was
> > refering to from the HTML version of the manual in
> the
> > "IF" section of the "Minivend Tag Reference"
> > 
> > "session
> > 
> > The MiniVend session variables. Of particular
> interest
> > are login, frames, secure, and browser."
> > 
> 
> My understanding was that you had clipped text from
> the documentation
> and were going on that. You are correct, that is
> misleading, and I have
> changed it, but it was not an example and you jumped
> several leaps.
> 
> The demo is *bristling* with [if session logged_in].
> 
> (rant not pointed at any one individual)
> 
> My problems with most of the people complaining
> about the documentation:
> 
>     1. Often there are complaints made without
> specific examples.
>     2. Rarely do I get specific suggested fixes.
> 
> To some extent, you, the users, are responsible for
> Minivend and
> its quality. If I had time to read and follow every
> nuance of every
> comment, perhaps I coould do something with all of
> the comments that
> are made. Unfortunately, I have bit off a large
> chunk with Minivend and
> don't have that amount of time.
> 
> When I have put up invitations on the web site to
> comment on the
> program and documentation, most people seem to use
> it as a forum to ask a
> question, not make a suggestion. (This is true for
> any program, though. As
> I look at some other program suggestion forums this
> is also the case.)
> 
> In other words, I believe your documentation of my
> problems with
> documentation is simply awful. 8-) Of course there
> are exceptions;
> see the outstanding job someone (Bill Randle) did
> the other day helping
> me document the error tag.
> 
> If each user subscribing to the minivend-users mail
> list sent one example
> with edited replacement text I would have 897
> changes to make that would
> improve the documentation. That would be a fair
> start.
> 
> Also, I am still looking for someone to send me an
> example of good
> documentation for *a program with similar scope and
> a similar target
> audience*. Someone suggested the PHP documentation,
> and it seems quite
> good, but the target audience is quite different.
> 
> To summarize:
> 
> 	-- I am interested in making the docs better
> 	-- I am working on it
> 	-- I do need help
> 
> Best Regards,
> Mike
> 
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