Re: [mv] HTML editor (answer to Mike)

[Mike Heins <mikeh@minivend.com>]

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Quoting Eran Binyamin Zeitoun (eran_zeitoun@karmail.com):
> > Quoting Eran Binyamin Zeitoun (eran_zeitoun@karmail.com):
> > > after all Windows is much
> > > easier
> > > enviroment for developing... Even Mike says in one of the documents that
> > > he recomend on developing a site in windows enviroment and run from a
> > > unix box...
> > >
> >
> > I don't know where you got that idea. I detest Windows as a GUI, and
> > run only UNIX in my shop. UNIX machines outnumber Windows machines 14
> > to 0 in my office.
> 
> As the docs and readme files show that u r against windows, i am quite sure
> i have read somewhere (and i promise to find where) that u wrote that
> you suggest windows as the development enviroment and unix as the running
> system... but i still could be wrong (if so, sorry...)...

The only suggestion I made was that if you wanted to use Minivend 3.14
on Windows, that it was used in that way. I recognize that a large percentage
of people have no desire and or ability to use UNIX.

> 
> >
> > I could never have produced Minivend if I had to live with the limitations
> > of Windows.  8-)
> You are talking about windows 95 days... quite oldys...., i am sure that if
> u
> had those days Windows 2000, Microsoft DNA, and Visual Perl
> you would talk diffrently.....,

I have had any number of "visual" tools in my day. I had every chance
to adopt them. Some people are mouse-clickers, and some people are
character-typers; I am the latter. I know that some people who watch me
navigate a Gnome/Enlightenment system with vim and tcsh are flabbergasted
at how fast it can be. I can kick off a command and edit some text
before I could possibly reach and point the mouse. 8-)

This is not just an operating system thing with me, it is a GUI
thing. I dislike the Windows GUI for the following reasons:

   -- one desktop, I want at least 4 with instant keyboard moves between
   -- cannot remap keys (i.e. turn caps-lock to control, change alt-TAB
      to something else)
   -- no inplace iconization or window-shade rollup, always action-at-a-distance
   -- cannot specify that certain programs should not show up in ALT-TAB
   -- cannot turn off stupid extra windows on keyboard commands (i.e
      the pop-up icon thingie on ALT-TAB)
   -- click-to-focus required (I know there are some workarounds)
   -- always-on-top when focused
   -- poor responsiveness as applications take over the focus. Get rid
      of that damn hourglass!

That is just for starters. It doesn't even get into all of the stupid
reboots to install programs, disks inserted into the device popping up
windows on their own, etc.  If Windows 2000 fixes all this, let me know,
and I will try it out. 8-)

But we should take this off line. I don't want this to turn into another
GUI vs. character debate. I recognize that some people cannot/will
not/don't want to use character-based programs, and more power to them
if that is what they want. Visit comp.sys.*.advocacy if you want to
discuss it further. 8-)

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