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Re: [mv] Re: your mail
****** message to minivend-users from Roger Arnold <rbarnold@a-dream.com.au> ******
Roger wrote:
Yes, I have had some help, and maybe even from you, but to suggest that I have actually got MiniVend installed is a
little premature.
The best help I have had was in fact today.
To suggest that I write a How-To (not a FAQ) when I have only been involved with minivend for about 2-3 weeks, and
don't even know a lot yet, is silly, however as soon as I know what I am doing myself, I would be glad to write a
How-To, how about you ?
You can make as many comments about me as you like, but as of now I will NOT be responding.
As for minivend, the end result justifies the effort, as I still think it is a great program and I have never said
otherwise, all I have said is that it would be a waste of the author"s time to expect him to write extensive
documentation, and it would be better for an experienced user or users to write a How-To
Have a nice day
"Christian J. Müller" wrote:
> ****** message to minivend-users from "Christian J. =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?=" <cmueller@polinet.ch> ******
>
> It's quite simple:
> You are the wrong person in the wrong list using the wrong software.
>
> Roger Arnold wrote:
> >
> > ****** message to minivend-users from Roger Arnold <rbarnold@a-dream.com.au> ******
> >
> > Roger wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Who needs documentation for a hammer, this is an absolute stupid association to
> > documentation for minivend.
> >
> > As for expecting an e-commerce solution without hard work and head scratching, this
> > doesn't even deserve an answer, but it's going to get one.
> >
> > Nobody has ever said that they want something for nothing in minivend, and comparing
> > minivend to Linux or Apache is ludicrous, both Linux and Apache are supported by many
> > people and user groups who seem to love helping others who know little or nothing about
> > either one. They also don't look down on anyone who needs help configuring or running the
> > software.
> >
>
> As I recall your posts, a good look at the docs could have answered
> them. You sid in one of your posts, that you have studied the docs and
> the FAQ's and searched the maillist, but have not been able to solve
> your problem. I am not a programmer, but have been able to install mySQL
> (and even answered a post of yours a few minutes ago) only by reading
> the docs and the FAQs and searching the maillist. Is it really the poor
> docs to blaim?
> I have answered a number of posts to this maillist and have been able to
> point people to the relevant part of the docs most of the time. It seems
> to be easier to ask the list than to scratch your head.
>
> > I don't care whether you are a programmer or not, your attitude needs to change, if you
> > don't want to share your knowledge and help other people get the most out of minivend or
> > even get it running in the first place, what are you doing in a user group ?
>
> Have you ever answered any of the questions in this list? As far as I
> recall you are expecting everyone to help you, but do not care to help
> others. I hope you prove me wrong in the future.
>
> >
> > In fact why is there even a users group, if it's not to help others who don't know as
> > much as some?
> > Is it there so all the people who have got it running satisfactory to show off and say
> > 'look at me I have done what not many people can do' I don't want to help anyone, because
> > they might become as good as me ?
> >
> > It is understandable that MiniVend's documentation is not as good as it could be, after
> > all has the programmer that wrote and nurtured it got to spend many, many more hours and
> > weeks writing documentation so that even the novice can install and run it without any
> > problems.
> >
> > However that is NO excuse why many of the people who have gained experience in installing
> > and running the software can't spend an hour or two and write a How-To so that the novice
> > can find answers to questions without having to ask the question in the first place.
> > If 100 experienced users wrote a How-To about different subjects, this discussion would
> > never have started in the first place, and the documentation would be supported by many
> > better examples by actual USERS.
> >
> > So before this discussion grows into a war of words, how about some experienced users
> > getting together and collaborating in a joint effort to write some How-To's ?
> > I am sure that someone would volunteer to organise the effort and that MiniVend would
> > create a special section on the website to host them, if not I am willing to supply
> > webspace and hosting for an organised listing of How-To's for MiniVend, perhaps the
> > greatest software in the world for e-commerce and a variety of other cataloging and
> > publishing area's.
> >
>
> > So how about it........................
> >
> > Who is going to volunteer ?????????
>
> Now that the list has helped you to install SQL, why don't you write
> that FAQ? This would help others who are like you - or do you fear, that
> those who need it most would not bother to read your FQA and your effort
> would therefore be useless?
>
> Chris
>
> >
> > Regards
> > Roger
> >
> > Ryan Hertz wrote:
> >
> > > ****** message to minivend-users from Ryan Hertz <rhertz@gyb.baits.com> ******
> > >
> > > At 12:37 AM 1/20/2000 , you wrote:
> > > >****** message to minivend-users from "Alexei Yakimovich"
> > > ><alex@del.donetsk.ua> ******
> > > >
> > > >Hi,
> > > >
> > > >I'm working with MV about half year.
> > > >Yes, that's true, you need to spend a lot of time to
> > > >build big and helpful site.
> > > >But, I don't understand why don't make a great documentation
> > > >or howto or just some examples.
> > > >It looks like software for the "China's pioneers", sorry.
> > > >I see only fights in MV list. Thanks Mike for the really great
> > > >MV list, only MV list will help somebody. But I can't see any
> > > >big advacement from the Vend of Andrew Wilcox.
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > How quickly we get spoiled by a few point-and-click installations of
> > > various softwares! There are plenty of free (GPL) software solutions that
> > > have even WORSE or NO documentation. I know, I'm working with one
> > > now. The concept is the same, you can try and install this for free or you
> > > can pay the developer or a consultant $250/hr to do it for you. We've
> > > actually got it good, and to get free, powerful software with ANY docs is
> > > maybe more than we deserve. Some people may be quick to point out that
> > > Linux is free, but to really get all the bells and whistles you might have
> > > to pay. For printed documentation you must pay. Apache? Free. How many
> > > people work on Apache versus MiniVend?
> > >
> > > Perhaps we should all revisit the notion of the minivend documentation
> > > project again.
> > >
> > > Perhaps I have more programmer in me than other people in the list who are
> > > trying to achieve their Internet E-Commerce Dreams without the hard work
> > > and head scratching. I don't get mad when the hammer I just bought doesn't
> > > come with instructions.
> > >
> > > Ryan Hertz tel 800-645-BAIT
> > > Webmaster fax 520-645-2588
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> > >
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